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The Hotness of Shanks and Flanigan

Just home from the Creation Con in Burbank. I'll be writing a painfully complete report for Solutions (first bits of news already posted here), but I just had to squee a bit about the Shankster and The Flan in particular... both were so on form and so beautiful to behold.

Michael brought his 9-year-old daughter Tatiana along, and she is such a pretty girl. Mom's coloring but dad's features, and his long legs too :) She was sometimes bored sitting off to the side, but also very cute, even asking a question of her dad about how he felt when he got the job of Daniel. MS said he was very happy to have a job so he could make money and have babies. :) So cute. Even with the hat, he looked so pretty. He has a habit of rubbing his leg or touching his neck. Which only makes me jealous of his hand. Heh. What comes across is a lot of gratitude for Stargate, a bit of uncertainty about what the future holds, but also that he's having fun with all the family time and hopeful that he and Chris will make some things happen via "Slacktwaddle Productions".

I saw Joe 2 years ago at his first con appearance. He was great, but today was so much more relaxed, funny, and willing to riff on questions and go on and on with them. He chuckled a lot, moved around the stage, interacted very nicely, told stories he knows are disturbing, like the time his dad got him out of bed to go slaughter all the turkeys, which were bigger than he was.

He clearly has strong ideas about the show and the cast and doesn't kiss producer ass at all, nor sugar coat things to the fans. He thought killing Carson was a really bad mistake and gave a nice shout out to Save Carson Beckett for being very effective, and lamented that the fan reaction to Weir leaving was not strong enough. He seems pretty aware of the fandom, and remarked on how much time Joe M. spends on his blog. :) He loves his parents. His dad is really his step-dad, but adopted him after marrying his mom. He knows he needs to feed his family, so his work choices reflect that. He's very practical that way.

Well, now I'm rambling... a couple of pics to tied you over until my con report is done... the boys in rather silly poses.


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Nov. 19th, 2007 02:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the brief report (and the one on Solutions)! I look forward to more!

I'm trying hard not to be too jealous....
Nov. 19th, 2007 03:31 pm (UTC)
Joe gave an SCB shoutout?! Sweet! So glad you had such a nice time!

He has a habit of rubbing his leg or touching his neck. Which only makes me jealous of his hand. Heh.

You are incorrigible! :-D

They've kept Weir's departure so drawn out and mysterious, I think that's partly why the reaction wasn't strong. She's disappeared, but she could come back, and she might if people don't know the details of the contract and/or spec/spoilers otherwise. It's not like Carson with the no mistaking a @$##@$%$#%#$ exploding tumor. :-p
Nov. 19th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
I think that's cool Michael brought Tatiana along. She's probably old enough now to "get" her dad's work and the fans that go with it, at least a little.

I've always been impressed with Joe and Michael being honest with fans. Joe does seem a little more preemptively outspoken than Michael though. I think that may be because when MS was fighting for the character of Daniel and was told he didn't merit an upgrade, he really didn't know about fandom, and afterwards, I think maybe he felt awkward saying anything directly negative, because he felt he owed something to the fans who worked so hard on his side. I think he's still honest when asked directly, but he tries not to be totally negative.

I think Joe just doesn't give a rat's ass. ;) I've heard that he's gone to the producer's more than once, especially over the whole debacle with the departure of Weir. From comments made, apparently TPTB were planning on either killing her off or otherwise just doing the equivalent of ditching her within one episode, never to be heard from again, and Sam would be in charge by the end of the episode, as if she'd always been there and everyone (characters and viewers) would just be thrilled with it. Joe very rightly pointed out that just wouldn't work.

I think Joe knows there was a lot of politics at work in that decision (as there was with Carson), but unfortunately I don't think there was as much of an outcry because it happened at the end of the season and it was left hanging as to what would happen. I think if viewers (beyond the ones online in SG-related forums) had been more aware of the departure of Weir to be replaced by Carter, that might have made a difference.

And can you elaborate about what he said about Mallozzi spending so much time on his blog? That cracks me up that even the actors are commenting about it.
Nov. 19th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
You're right, Joe truly does not give a rat's ass what the producers think. He seems ambivalent about doing Sci Fi in general. Maybe since MS was so much younger when he got the job (Joe is late 30s now I think, same as MS), he probably idolized/feared TPTB to some degree. Hard to say, but MS now seems to only make negative comments about how some episodes turned out. He doesn't criticize the process in any serious way. OTOH Joe F complained that the new practice of script read-throughs was dropped this year after a few eps. The producers said not enough actors were showing up. JF thought it was bull and said so, but the read-throughs ended anyway. He was philosophical about it.

Re Joe M's blog, someone mentioned something they read there, and JF said something like, oh yeah, Joe's blog. he spends so much time on that thing! We never see him on set, then he shows up with his camera and shoots stuff, and puts it on his blog... then he sort of trailed off. I'll explain it more precisely in my report once I consult my "notes". :)
Nov. 21st, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
I've often gotten the impression that Joe's not all that thrilled to be doing sci fi. Which isn't all that unusual, as a lot of actors view it as silly, especially since they're the ones stuck dealing with reacting to things that aren't there and the like. I know both Shanks and Hewlett have professed to being sci fi fans long before they got the gig -- they're geeks. *g*

Age at the time could have played a factor, but not complaining in the way he used to might also be Michael's way of no longer giving a rat's ass. I've seen that sort of thing in the workplace before -- someone complains and nothing ever happens and they finally burn out on it and either quit or just show up, do their job, and go home.

I know Joe was probably joking about not seeing Mallozzi onset because he's spending time on his blog, but honestly, it does seem like he must be spending an inordinate amount of time writing for it versus doing the type of writing he's actually being paid for.
Nov. 20th, 2007 08:01 am (UTC)
Oooh, shots where they both have lovely necks and that damn microphone isn't blocking half of their faces. Well done. :)
Nov. 22nd, 2007 10:49 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Thanks for the write-up and look forward to more on the Solutions Blog. I haven't been on top of all the spoilers/speculation lately, but am thoroughly loving SGA S4 -- and continue enjoy Joe's thoughtful, and increasingly outspoken comments.

In skimming through the comments, I'm curious about the whole Carson and Weir debacle though. I'd thought that both the characters suffered from poor writing - but at least Weir's "leaving" was executed much better, and left plenty of room for further story lines and character development. Is there a summary of what happened behind the scenes, esp. any attempt at separating fact vs. fiction?
Nov. 23rd, 2007 06:04 am (UTC)
Hey there. I guess by definition whenever fans try to find out what went on behind the scenes, knowing fact vs. fiction is pretty much impossible. I've heard rumors about the "whys" of both characters/actors removal but nothing that has been verified publicly. The PTB have never said why they wrote out Weir, and they insist it was not to make room for Carter. Paul McGillion has said in interviews he was told the PTB wanted to "shake things up" by writing out Carson. Again, no PTB has really explained the reasoning. So, not sure if you're calling it a debacle from the decision end or the fan reaction end... but I'm a founder of Save Carson Beckett, so naturally I'll defend our reactions. :)
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